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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 host Barbara Ehrentreu welcomes back to the show Oliver Baer and Steve McAllister. Oliver Baer has been a guest on the show before and his interview can be heard in the archives. Steve McAllister was my guest last November. You can listen to the show here. I think you will see how extraordinary these two guests are. As always there might be some surprises. Friends of the show are encouraged to call in with comments or questions for the guests.